Transcript
0:08 (James) So these guides, along with good processes, all of a sudden high performance is easy.
0:22 (Graham) You know, this rethink towards net zero is rethinking a lot of the traditional building enclosure assemblies and building them better.
0:28 (James) I get excited, but I also get depressed. I'm depressed because I'm old and if I were younger, I would embrace this
0:33 (James) opportunity for this change. I see the young builders and to me, I get excited for them.
0:41 (James) Hey, Graham, how are you doing?
0:43 (Graham) Good.
0:46 (Graham) All right. We're here at Wall number one, which is our vapor, permeable exterior insulated wall with airtight sheathing membrane.
0:55 (Graham) This represents wall number one in the guide here, which is all the details that we put together. And we're going to walk through this wall system here and talk
1:03 (Graham) about the design considerations. We'll talk about constructability, and we'll generally walk you through this and explain how this works.
1:17 (Graham) So we've got a mock-up here that was built by the BCIT High-Performance Lab. And we're going to walk through this wall here and talk about the details in the
1:27 (Graham) Leap guides on how this was built. So when we look at it, we got on this case, we've got exterior vapor, permeable
1:35 (Graham) mineral insulation as vapor open. And then we got our house wrap here.
1:41 (james) We have another insulation too right on the inside.
1:42 (Graham) Yeah, we'll get into that. So we got host wrap on the outside and if we go in the inside of this wall, we've got bad insulation and polyethylene for vapor
1:50 (Graham) control. So when we look at this wall and code minimum in most areas right now is
1:55 (Graham) just the two-by-six wall, Right? So, it's a two-by-six wall with bad insulation and poly, you know, R-16 to
2:01 (Graham) R-18 depending on the type of insulation you're putting in there. And so this wall here in the mock-up is being built on R-27.
2:09 (Graham) So if we're going to say R-35 or R-40, we'd have two layers of insulation up to six, maybe seven or eight inches in some of the higher cases. So we've on the mock-up here, wall number one, it's vapor, permeable insulation.
2:26 (Graham) So we've shown a mineral, a rigid mineral wall and we'll talk about the cladding attachment later on this in this same assembly, you could substitute this for a rigid fiberglass if you found it, wood fiber insulation, you might have different considerations for water control but essentially this is other.
2:43 (James) - Permeable.
2:44 (Graham) - Permeable insulation.
2:47 (Graham) Yes, we want vapor, permeable insulation in this assembly here. And because that dictates what we do for the vapor control on the inside.
2:54 (Graham) So with this wall assembly, we've got vapor, permeable exterior insulation, and in this case here, about three inches to get an R-27.
3:02 (Graham) And so traditionally the vapor control in this wall or a traditional wood frame wall assembly would have been your polyethylene typically on the inside.
3:09 (James) - That's typical. Yeah.
3:12 (Graham) And as we add vapor, permeable insulation to that wall assembly, it starts to shift and shift the dew point out essentially in simple terms, but also increases the temperature of the sheathing gets warmer and warmer.
And as the sheeting gets warmer and warmer, the need for that poly on the inside starts to decrease, right?
So as you shift more and more exterior insulation, you can change the vapor control on the inside.
3:38 (James) At some point, you can probably put it right to the outside then or eliminate it completely, or how does that work?
3:42 (Graham) Yeah. So, once you get enough exterior insulation in this assembly here, your plywood or your OSB sheathing actually will function enough to be your vapor control there. So for the mock-up here, we've got three inches on the outside and we've kept the polyethylene vapor control layer on the inside that poly, and this assembly could be changed to a smart vapor retarder or vapor retarder paint.
And that's covered a bit more in the guide.
4:05 (James) The poly are kept here because this mock-up doesn't have enough exterior insulation on it to consider taking it out of the equation
4:12 (Graham) It's close yeah. - And if you want to be a bit conservative, you can leave it in.
4:15 (Graham) And so with permeable insulation, you can leave that vapor barrier on the inside fairly safely. When we get into other assemblies with impermeable insulation, that's really where we start getting into changing that.
4:26 (James) So having a permeable insulation, let's say I want to leave the poly, I want to put the poly, no problem, right?
4:29 (Graham) Yeah.
4:30 (James) Okay. So I can just leave it no matter how much I put. - That's right. - I can leave the poly without detriment.
4:35 (Graham) That's right. And one of the benefits of this wall assembly one here is that you can keep your traditional practices and you just add the insulation without rethinking potentially your vapor control. And then if you're already using an exterior air barrier approach, just keep building off of that.
4:53 (James) Yeah. So I kind of look at it as the plywood is like my skin. So if I go outside in the fall, I wear a thin sweater and if I go outside in the winter, I wear a thicker sweater just to be comfortable. -So yeah. - That's kind of a neat concept. -
5:04 (Graham) Yeah. And the neat thing about this too, is when we look at near net zero, if you're building to a near net zero level or passive house level, you know you're going to have thicker amounts of insulation if you're building to code minimum or if
you're building on your way to net zero. It's just a matter of changing three inches to six inches or one and one-half
inches, whatever it is, it's just adjusting that insulation, but everything else stays the same.
5:26 (James) Yeah, So you can master your process.
5:27 (Graham) Yeah.
5:28 (James) Without risks with the permeable insulation.
5:32 (Graham)That's the idea, with the guide and the mock-up of those prepared here is that this represents any sort of thickness and details that come with that.
5:39 (James) Yeah. Starting point.
5:41 (Graham) Yeah. - So when we look at mineral vapor, permeable mineral as an exterior insulation, the insulation itself is water repellent, but you notice you have
gaps and other things, flashing and other components tie back into the house wrap
here. So from a water control standpoint, we're not going to rely on the face of the
mineral well to keep the water from getting into the wall. We're still going to have a water-resistive barrier at the backup at
the sheathing. So just like we would build a typical two-by-six framed wall where we have house wrap on the outside of that wall, as our water-resistive a
barrier we're going to keep. That water-resistive barrier behind the insulation in the [inaudible].
6:22 (James) Then tape it and make it the air barrier also.
6:24 (Graham) Yeah, we'll get it, yeah, we'll get into the air barrier details in a minute here. But from a water-resistant barrier standpoint, we're going to have this and
all are flashing and details are going to come back in there. And so when you look at the guide, all the details take all the flashing and the water controller back to the wall system.
So you do all your water is just a barrier and air barrier details first, then you put the insulation on and so you're managing and flashing and everything's detailed back here.
6:55 (James) So same process as we're building now.
6:57 (Graham) Yeah. And so the unique thing about mineral oil is you spray water at this, it doesn't tend to go through it's hydrophobic for water to get behind it.
It sort of has to find a detail that can sort of run back through. And then by diffusion, it can dry out.
7:11 (James) And if there's enough moisture for whatever reason, there is a free-draining ability.
7:15 (Graham) That's right.
7:16 (James) This type of insulation.
7:17 (Graham) You can drain it out or it can also dry out by diffusion. And that's what vapor permeable insulation means, is you can dry through it. And that's one of the, you know, in a wetter region, people would look at this approach. So we got our water-resistive barrier at the backside here, and that's where it makes sense to put it.
When we look at air barrier options for this wall, the insulation itself isn't aired impermeable, so we can't use the insulation as an air barrier, but we already have the house wrap, which we know we can make an air barrier, we can make the sheathing an air barrier.
We could also use traditional approaches like polyethylene or drywall on the inside to use that as an air barrier approach. So you have lots of choices.
8:00 (James) And we can have both, two air barriers, right?
8:02 (graham) Yeah, that's right. And generally, as you add more exterior insulation, it's safer to shift the air barrier further out, and as talked about in the guide and
the insulation flowchart there, as we add more exterior insulation, the air barrier shifts from the inside and traditional approaches to the outside and we'll get into some of the nuances of that detail later on.
But for the purposes of the mock-up, it looks like we've got an air barrier this isn't sealed up here because this is tying in here and we'll walk through some of these details in here in a minute. But the air barrier approach is our host route.
8:38 (Graham) So let's walk through the air barrier strategy for an exterior air barrier on this wall. Simply, we're going to start down here at our foundation.
We got here in the case of the mock-up here, we got an ICF Foundation, we got concrete here, we got the insulation on the ICF, we've got the waterproofing, the peel and stick that's been applied to the ICF, and then the air barrier, transferring the air barrier all the way through this assembly from below grade all the way into the in the mock-up here into the attic.
So we've got [INAUDIBLE] flashing, we've got peel-stick here and then we've taped the house wrap, Right? We tape the house wrap to the peel and stick and then every Lap In the house wrap gets taped to the vertical and horizontal seams.
The air barrier comes into our window here and our flashing, we tie in the air barrier into the back rod and in the sealant that's applied over the back road, through our window, along the jambs with the sealant into the head.
9:36 (Graham) And then we've got the air barrier transitioning up here behind the detail here. So we've lopped and taped this and then we're transitioning in this case here on the inside, we've got polyethylene as our air barrier right on the ceiling.
And so we need to transfer the air barrier through this interface. All right. So we've got our house rap made as our air tight element here.The challenge is we have now the barrier ceiling, which is still polyethylene, a traditional approach with more insulation in there.
10:04 (Graham) So we need to transfer the air barrier through the top plates. And this is one of the trickiest details when you go from an exterior to an interior barrier approach, if you don't do this right, the air just comes up through here and into your attic and so it's a big point of leakage.
And so there are a lot of different ways to achieve the air barrier transfer through this top plate.
So we got, you know, essentially we've got to go from what's been shown here is we've got the house wrap and then we've seal that against some caulking along the top of the walls that's compatible with the house route.
10:37 (Graham) And then it gets gasket by the insulation. But the challenge with that is we need to transfer through this plate.
So there would have to be some forethought put into putting sealant in between here and then to the inside to transfer through the top plate.
10:52 (James) So yeah, so the framers would have to put this in for you, and any time you had a joint you'd have to seal between that joint.
So there's some sequencing and Care that need to be taken in order for that to be as successful as one would like.
11:09 (Graham) A traditional approach is where people put, you know, they've put a layer of house wrap between as a pre-strip. The problem with that is it gets ripped and torn and corners.
11:17 (James) What about the corners where you're locking your plates and all that and trying to...
11:21 (Graham) It's very difficult to get to the air tightness levels you need for net zero and this is where it needs that rethought to the approach and that's why you got this approach here with sealants which is you know, you can.
11:31 (James) It shows the intent. - Shows the intent
11:32 (Graham) and the idea, there are other ways too, you can use tape, especially tape the sticks to wet wood. If this happens to be wet or peel and stick along the top here.
So something that allows you to make that transfer from the inside to the outside.
11:48 (James) Through that top plate. And I think when you do this top plate thing, you also got joints in that plate that also need to be sealed. And I think it's a three dimensional world.
And the two dimensional approach I think is sometimes mistakenly employed to not a great result.
12:01 (Graham) And this is one of those details where, you know, inspecting it and reviewing it as you're putting it together, and you can see if you can see a hole, then you need to seal it up.
12:08 (James) Yes. And that's having that person on site who is your air boss or your envelope reviewer.
12:16 (Graham) So, James, how do we transfer the air barrier from our house wrap to the poly on the inside of the top of this wall assembly?
12:22 (James) With this assembly, we had the plywood sheeting with the [inaudible] sealant at the top plate to make that connection. And then the air barrier was set [inaudible] in the plywood.
So the air barrier connects to the sealant, connects the plywood, connects the sealants, and connects to the plate. So we then have to run the sealant on each of the joints of the plate.
12:40 (James) Alternatively, yeah, you can use high-performance tape, bring a tape from the plywood onto the plate, tape the Tyvek air barrier or similar to that tape, tape all the joints and run your acoustic seal, and run the polyethylene air barriervapor bearing the sealing into that acoustic seal.
It's a very clean way to go. It's a good alternative. You don't have to involve the framers. You're not weather-dependent because the tape works on wet wood. And if it's raining, the framers putting sealant in there is not going to be your
best bet.
13:10 (James) And so that's another way of handling.
13:12 (Graham) A little more weather friendly if you use the right tape. How do builders what's the saying they can do to remember that?
13:16 (James) The saying they can do the tape to the tape.
13:18 (Graham) Yeah. How do you do it.
13:21 (James) What do you mean how do I do it. Tape to the tape.
13:25 (Graham)Tape to the tape to the tape.
13:26 (James) Tape to the tape. You put an initial tape before the [inaudibel] has come. When the barrier comes up, you tape that air barrier to that tape.
13:33 (James) The best part about that, that I'm going to go off on a little bit here because I can't help myself. So the best part about that is when you use that series and that system.
In various parts of the building, you'll see this magical tape, and people want what's their little pieces and rings of tape here and there. Those are your transitional points. What happens when you do that, by osmosis, people understand the air tightness and the planes of air tightness because they'll just [inaudible] the tape not knowing why once explained, light bulb, perfect.
14:01 (Graham) You know what so James, tape and air barrier transitions you can see instead of sealant have other benefits.
14:08 (James) You walk up to the building and you see this white ring around the top and you go, they got a plan? Yeah, I got a plan. Tape to the tape.
14:15 (Graham) This is hard to inspect and hard to see.
14:17 (James) I've done this. I'm trying to review if there's a ceiling there. It's a blind seal, avoid blind application for high performance.
14:25 (Graham) Great. So this. This mock-up demonstrates the sealed house wrap air barrier approach because it's seen as cost-effective. It's something that most builders are already pretty familiar with doing.
And so this mock-up here takes us through the details from below to above grade, through the window, through details. The guide shows penetration details and our tricky transition detail here at the roof to all interfaces.
14:53 (James) And I find sometimes that the guide shows it and everything shows it. But when you get to the site and you're looking at this, this big wooden box here
that you're making and you go, okay,
I'm doing an air barrier, just connect the dots and make sure that one connects to the next and you can be successful, but
15:09 (James) when you're first trying to establish this, it can be a little bit confusing, we have garages and stuff which semi-conditioned space and how you
transfer it across a back wall of a garage or air barrier.
And there's a whole bunch of stuff that needs to be considered but if you connect the dots, as they say, you can do what's necessary through standard materials and process and work that into your program and have an airtight building.
15:32 (Graham) Yeah. And this approach, you know, as you talk about garages and things like porches and balconies.
15:39 (James) Rejections overhead, stuff like that.
15:41 (Graham) You need to pre-strip with this, right? And so there's definitely that sequencing of the air barrier that comes into place there. And of course, there are other ways to do this as well.
In this approach, we could use plywood as the air barrier. We could seal that from the outside with tape. We could use self-assured membranes, which are, you know, basically sticky
15:57 (Graham) We've got liquid-applied membranes and joint treatments. All these approaches can be done on this outside face here depending on what your budget is, and your ease of construction, some of these products like selfies or membranes, make all this taping and [inaudible] a whole lot easier than.
16:16 (James) It truly is a system. What I find interesting is through your talk here that you can use wood as part of your air barrier system.
16:21 (Graham) That's right.
16:23 (James) You can't blow air through that.
16:24 (Graham) That's right. So and you're losing wood where it makes sense to make that air barrier transfer. So you don't need a piece of plastic going through there like people in the past may have stripped into pieces of polyethylene or something on the top here.
16:38 (James) The trust has come in and it can be a little bit of a problem
16:40 (Graham) if you fall off your roof right. So we've got to keep safety in mind, too.
16:43 (James) interesting.
16:44 (Graham) So as we look at this wall assembly and, you know, starting with our sort of code sort of level here in R-27, you know, R-40 out a bit more, just all we're doing is adjusting this.
We're keeping this as a two-by-six in this case here, you can actually go back to a two-by-four and actually have more exterior insulation.
17:03 (Graham) So if you don't need to buy six framing for the bat and structure, you can get away with two-by-four. Two-by-four actually makes a lot more.
17:10 (James) Most homes are two-by-four construction is structurally adequate. -
17:14 (Graham) One and two storey homes are even taller.
You know, you essentially go back to a two-by-four, and then you have more exterior insulation because you're going to end up with a thinner wall, a higher R-value wall with that two-by-four to the two-by-six, just because of the less thermal bridging that you have all the way through the wood frame assembly.
17:33 (James) To me and I've talked with building staff is just thinking of it as a new plywood because everything you're doing on this insulation is what previously you would have done on your plywood.
You might put your flashing on it, and mount you strapping on it. It's just like you would do before putting insulation outside. It's a neat way to look at it.
17:51 (Graham) So when you look at exterior insulation, the first question you often get is how do I attach my cladding through my exterior insulation to the backup wall, rigid insulation, no matter how rigid it is, it's not something you're going to be screwing into and attaching our cladding through.
So we need to attach the cladding back into our framing, potentially even back into the studs, depending on loads of our building.
And so when you look at approaches that are available for this, you know, one of the simplest and what we found works really well for residential wood frame construction is you just use long screws through the vertical strapping we've got here to back into your studs or if you want to design for you into your sheathing to then attach, then your cladding to this, this strapping.
18:35 (James) And That's right. And one of the things that I'm always hit with is what's too soft.
So when I put my screw in and I put a screw into here, you can see the screw has a bugle hat.
So that means that the force necessary to sink that bugle has to get
transferred through the insulation, which doesn't make any sense because you never install things stressed, right?
So if you just simply take a counter sink bit. You make a bugle shape. Put the screw in, you can sink the screw and cinch it right to the strapping without removing it.
There's actually a benefit, is you can adjust the wall if the framing is a little out of plain. I use it typically a five-foot rod when I'm doing this, so I can do just random checks.
And when I find framings, not plumb, which happens occasionally, that you can actually square up a straighten up walls using this approach. So it's entirely doable and I think misunderstood.
But many that you can't do this, and I guess you and the research world have done all kinds of studies that you can hang what you like on that.
19:46 (Graham) Yeah, that's right. [inaudible] We've done you pretty much hang your pickup truck off the side of your installation now.
So the way this works and you've got, this is cut for the mock-up here, but your vertical straps, you know, eight-ten foots straps up the wall and you just put screws in every 8 to 16 inches on center, depending on on the load of your cladding, your wind load where you are.
But typically every foot you're putting in a number ten or number 12 screw and into the strapping and then your cladding, we get then nailed or screwed or however, you attach your cladding traditionally onto this strapping.
20:22 (James) These screws have to hit a stud right? Is there anything else we can do with that?
20:26 (Graham) Generally designed to hit the stud and the guy talks about how you would do that.
You know, there are many different cases here, and the backup framing might be different, you might need straps at different positions for different types of cladding for example, generally, you try to line these up every 16 inches on the center line up your stud pattern.
But there are times when that's not going to be possible. You know, in many cases you're going to get reduced capacity of that, but in most cases for lightweight cladding, is not that big of an issue.
But as we get into heavier claddings or a higher loads, what you can actually do is you can change your sheathing at the design stage or construction stage instead of using half an inch, go to three-quarters, and with three-quarter-inch sheathings, the testing that's being done shown that with three quarter inch sheathing you actually don't need to hit your studs three quarter and sheathing, we found the same pullout resistance for this as you would through half-inch sheathing, and you're ending into your stud by one inch.
21:25 (James) Right? So by putting the three-quarter sheathing on, I can now set my straps where I need to without having to perhaps by backing to the back side or being concerned that I have reduced areas of stopping.
So my actual installation process could be accelerated by the freedom of installation if that makes sense where I can freely put them as long as I keep under part nine my 80% net free area.
I see we have three-inch straps here which add 16 inches on centers providing 13 over 16, 81.25% net free area.
So then you're okay to do that. So can when you have details now, you put more straps in to suit it, but the average overall is still at 80. I really like the three-quarter-inch plywood that you mentioned.
22:13 (Graham) Yeah. So you notice here that we are using three-inch straps, which is intentional so we have that the maximum sort of surface area here for lining up cladding and trims, you know, conventional rain screen strapping would have been, you know, an inch and a half or so.
That's not quite enough area here to attach into sometimes. So that's why three inches is preferred, there are things with three inches on this approach is you get more bearing area when the strapping compresses into the insulation and so you actually get more load capacity. And the way this approach works structurally is the long screws through the insulation and you actually create a truss, right.
And you're creating a trust with those screws that are installed horizontally is you've got your vertical strapping here and you've got your long screws that are going through every 12 inches or so those are horizontally, and that screw becomes your tension member and you got compression into your insulation and you got some friction here that's all also holding in more or more stiff.
23:11 (graham) And so essentially what happens is you got this truss which now you're hanging your load off of this vertical strapping in the outside.
And so a lot of testing has been done to prove out that load carrying capacity. And you can hang a whole lot of weight off of that more than you need for any sort of conventional cladding systems. And it's compressed enough in there and then it's held into place and it provides rigid substrate for your cladding.
And so your cladding fasteners are only going into the supply [INAUDIBLE. Plywood tends to be preferred over dimensional lumber just because it doesn't split as much. You can use one by three as well, but it's not necessary.
And the guy goes into more detail about pressure treatment and where you might need that or choices for the lumber that you have.
24:02 (james) I looked up the fun on the 11-pound density mineral wall. It's 586 pounds per square foot compressive resistance, and it was like I was surprised and I take that over a uniformly loaded wall on a 12-pound, three-square foot cladding Kind of a no-brainer.
24:26 (graham) And so, you know, one thing to note with this insulation, this is a rigid mineral. And, you know, we're familiar with a semi-rigid mineral wall that you use your batts.
And even softer insulation you use in commercial applications and cavity rolls, this is definitely, you know, a more rigid product. And that rigidity is what allows us to be done, you're not going to be putting bats or you're squishing in.
24:49 (James) No, no.
24:50 (Graham) And when you install these, you know, you're getting minimal compression in there. It's just seeding into place, into the face. And that's what you're looking for with that installation.
24:58 (James) And it's interesting you say that because when you do install them, they kind of seed a little bit right? And even the data sheet that I looked up said, you know, 586 pounds, that 10% compression so once you seat that, you're utilizing its full ability to resist loads. And so it works very, very well.
25:14 (Graham) That's another thing too is you don't need to screw it in super tight, you don't need to compress it, it just needs to be [inaudible].
25:21 (James) So boom. And then if you need to, you can bring it in a little bit or you can bring it out a little bit as needed it works really well, so.
25:28 (Graham) So with this wall, with wall number one, we've highlighted some of the unique detail and considerations you have, and most of them come in with the roof-to-wall air barrier detail.
You've got to get the exterior air barrier to the interior, but also our window details. Unique detailing with exterior insulation typically comes up when you start looking at your window details.
The biggest question is, okay, where can I put that window into the wall? How do I install the window? What do I do for window flashing penetrations?
This becomes the hardest point and once you figure this out, then everything else, all the other details, you have become a lot easier.
So with the window installation details, you know, first off, there's a whole bunch of different windows you can buy there are hundreds of companies of windows you can buy across Canada.
And so, you know, it's looking at fundamentally when you look at the offerings of Windows, we have windows that are installed with clips or on the inside or with flanges.
26:27 (James) Flanges. Yeah, right.
26:29 (Graham) And so we've got flange and nonflange windows. And so what we've shown in the mock-up here and the reason we've shown, because it's easier to install and it gives you more flexibility as a nonflange window if you want a non if you wanted to put a flanged window in here, however, the guy walks through a few more details, it becomes a bit more complicated.
But a nonflange window with exterior insulation becomes a whole lot, a whole lot more flexible with how you get to where you get to put it in that wall and how you flash in details.
26:58 (James) As long as the glazing is structurally supported you have that flexibility.
27:03 (Graham) That's right. And so with this wall system here, we've got our nonflange window and its bearing is still in the wood.
And so what we've done with this exterior insulation detail here is we have the window sitting on the structural framing.
You know, you can't sit the window out on the insulation without putting some sort of structural connection out there, support.
And so the easiest way to make that transition from current practice to exterior insulation is you keep the details very similar to [inaudible] had in the past reusing a nonflange window here which it's bearing on shims at the base and then we're on the inside we're actually using clips.
And, this particular detail, there's a number of different iterations of this, we've shown a back a rod and sealant here and that sealant is creating that air and watertight layer.
A common practice in many parts of Canada is to use a back down whether it be a wood back dam or aluminum or metal angle, shiny 90 type thing where you have that [inaudible] and stick coming up on that angle and then sealing that and that provides,
28:10 (James) Some windows actually require that as part of their installation method and so you have to put that angle for attachment.
28:18 Graham So when we look at our options for window sealing, we've got option A here which is backer Rod and Sealant, and option B, which is a sill angle, and option A as well we can also slope the sill so we can improve the water shedding of the sill by providing a bit of slope for drainage to take that water away.
But if you look at option A, we got back a rod and sealant at the inner perimeter of the window frame going from the sill all the way around it's a nice continuous seal providing our air and water control.
Option B we have a sill angle and the idea with the sill angle is we got aluminum or a steel angle on the inside, the waterproof membrane, the flash membrane runs up the sill angle and then we have sealant between the flashing membrane and our window frame.
And then the window frame is typically screwed structurally attached.So we don't have to put fasteners down through the sill there, it is also a variance of this where you could have a wood sill angle or the membrane comes up and you can seal in between depending on your structural attachments.
So these work really well and a lot of the, when you look at the leap wall systems with exterior insulation, they all show a nonflange window and that's because it simplifies a lot of the detailing that we run into with exterior insulation it allows that membrane to transition right out at the height of the sill.
When you get into a flange window option so a flat window flange would be where you attach your window on the exterior side of your wall with a flange that runs around the perimeter.
The challenge with the flanged window is we need to provide drainage from that, that space between behind the flange and the frame out. And by putting that flange there, it actually interferes with our exterior insulation.
We either have to pull the insulation down a bit add another membrane below, or we look at draining through or chiming off that flange to provide drainage in behind.
Likewise, with the nonflange window, wether you seal it with a perimeter seal like on the inside it could have a sloped sill here as well just a bit more complicated when you have a sloped sill on the flange, but still can be done. And then a perimeter angle just like before as well.
30:29 (James) I got a question. So the window is in his placement. Is there any advantage to putting it in the inboard side of the thermal plane, The middle of the thermal plane, or the outside of the thermal plane, or are you just worried about getting it structurally supported?
30:42 (Graham) Yeah. So great question. So, you know, traditional approaches on thinner wall assemblies, you know, the windows typically with flanges would be more towards the outside and rebate would be sort of, you know, sort of sitting around where it is right now, as we add exterior insulation, you know, you've got the sort of the effect now that you start getting these deeper spaces in the outside that you have to flash and trim right?
And so if you want to create that sort of traditional look where you have the window flush with the cladding, you need to push that window out, which means then you need to build a buck.
31:13 (James) So thermally, it's not is not the difference. It's aesthetically.
31:16 (Graham) Well, aesthetically to start. So usually driven by aesthetics, you know, in or out. And you can get that look either way by pushing it in or out.
Just with exterior insulation, you're going to have to add some support for that. But thermally, the best place for this window is somewhere near the middle.
So you want to line the window up with the thermal continuity. And in this wall, we've got insulation or cavity insulation out here so that's roughly in the middle.
31:39 (James) - Fair enough.
31:41 (Graham) And thermal standpoint, that's optimal. - Yep. - And so the details in the guide are showing simple details where the insulation stops around the window perimeter
31:50 (James) Around the rough opening.
31:52 (Graham) And if you look at the passive host and actually some net zero projects, what you'll start to see in some of their window details is they're going to encroach the insulation over the head, maybe an inch or two, and maybe at the sill on the gem.
And so that's not shown in this guide, but that's where we're going.
32:05 (James) Where we're going down the road.
32:07 (Graham) Down the road, yeah. So if you start seeing details where installations like pulling over the frames, that's what they're doing. And what they're trying to do there is reduce this flanking thermal bridging that's occurring through here. You've got, you know, R-27 here and you got a window with much less thermal performance, but then you've got all this wood framing, so you're trying to reduce that thermal bridging at these interfaces, right?
32:27 (James) - Yeah, that makes sense.
32:30 (Graham) So window details really highlight a lot of those considerations with exterior insulation where you put the window, how you seal the penetration, this is our plane of air and water tightness back here you go in the window, back out.
And so really when you start getting into all the details, it's about sealing and getting back to this location here. And in the case here, they've got the insulation on the outside providing that thermal.
32:52 (James) Nothing, nothing much is really changed you still frame your two-by-six wall -
32:56 (Graham) Yep.
32:57 (James) You put on your barrier system, be it air and water on the outside, taped and shingles and all that kind of stuff.
33:02 (Graham) Inside.
33:03 (James) You put on the new sheathing, which is now your insulation and you strap it and clad it. So the process is pretty simple. There are a couple of things that I see from a construction perspective that could be challenging; I see a membrane coming out over my window or out of my window here there's going to be on long before this comes on and I'm just wondering if there are alternate ways to address this I suppose. I think the guy touches on that a little bit.
33:31 (Graham) Yeah. So with window sill details here, I mean, you know, usual sequencing is, you know, the house wraps on the windows in and the insulation is going to come in later on. You know, you're not going to put the insulation.
33:42 (James) or even the starter around the window you go to lock up that kind of thing.
33:45 (Graham) And so the way the detail is shown in the mock-up here, we've got an extra piece of [inaudible] going over this insulation. And the reason we're showing that is we don't want to dump water in behind here if we can avoid it.
33:57 (James) No, it's a planned drainage path and yeah, I think you're supposed to send the water to the exterior somewhere in the code it mentioned something about it.
34:03 (Graham) Yeah, you really don't want to dump water in any type of external insulation behind it if you can avoid it. So what this is, is a supplemental flashing membrane that's below the window. Now, you know, this here in this particular case here, you know, it's going straight across the top here. You could also drop this insulation down and do a detail here where you actually.
34:23 (James) And then just put a little insulation plug back in. That makes sense to me, and I have done that detail based on some of the alternatives shown in the guide and found that it works out quite well.
34:34 (Graham) And if you have flange windows, if you really want to use a flange window with this, that's going to create the flange and that attachment point. And you can't think of sequencing-wise, you don't really want to pull that insulation up to that flange for drainage. And so you actually it's preferential to actually drop the insulation down here and...
34:50 (James) Probably required because there's a flange in the way so you're not really going to have this membrane sticking out. So I just thought I'd point that out, you know, it's about the intent this is the mock-up.
35:02 (Graham) Yeah, that's right. Okay. So when we get into window sill flashing with exterior insulation, we have a few different options.
So if we look at the baseline preparation, we have a two-by-six wall with our self-adhered membrane at the sill, our flashing membrane.
When we add the exterior insulation, we don't want to dump the water behind the insulation so we actually want to flash from that rough opening and the prep and the [inaudible] membrane there over the insulation and the easiest way, and if we don't have we have a nonflange window is we just have an extra piece of membrane that goes over the top of the insulation down you can cut the insulation on the slope and [inaudible], if you have a flanged window, however, that flange gets in the way from that direct transfer out.
And so you have to go down and out. And this adds a course complication and then there's a large space where you don't have exterior insulation unless you take a small piece and cut it and put it in place, which is good practice, of course considering the drainage that you're going to get in there.
There are scenarios, however, where you know, the amount of water that you're going to expect behind that window might be pretty low or you might have a cross cavity flashing, you know, a foot or so below your window, say like a floor-to-ceiling window.
You might have a cross cavity flashing anyways at a floor line, and therefore you could just drain the window down behind that insulation if it's drainable and then out, especially in the wall assembly where we provided drainage.
That's only really recommended if you have intended for that, but essentially allows you to go down and out at that location. So with windows and window sill options, we have lots of options and the important part is getting the water that does get in out and draining it where you want it to go.
36:51 (James) Good. This would member here that's around it. That's installed for what reason? So when you look at your trim details around your windows, you need to attach this to something. So in this particular mock-up, they've put in a piece of wood blocking, intermittent wood blocking here to provide a nailer for this wood trim.
If you had metal trim, you could tie it into the frame or you could, you wouldn't necessarily need that but this wood intermittent blocking here is put in there
intermittently it's not continuous to pick up your trim pieces.
37:25 (Graham) I can see here that also using the side of the strapping. So you actually have two attachment points that you can attach. Do you have drainage at the head here?
37:36 (James) Yeah, that's right.
37:39 (Graham) Yeah. If you look at this detail here, this is just in the mock-up. You've got bug screen here, you got this piece of strapping here is just put in there and you got drainage in behind there.
37:46 (James) The little gap right here so that you have a backup underneath.
37:49 (Graham) Yeah. And this window had detail. You know this when you look at this you know when you look at our window head detail, this mock-up is being put together for a trimmed detail.
There are about four or five different ways you can do this in terms of sequencing. And it's going to depend on how you sequence, If you do pre-strip or full house wrap and cut it out.
And so the idea and the whole fundamental for designing is from a water-shedding standpoint, any water is getting here is draining drained out. If we didn't have the flashing here and say we didn't have a wood trim, we could do it down here, right?
And so the reason we have the flashing here on the wood trim is to protect the top of the wood, make that transition from our fiber cement to our wood here we have a ledge that flashing flashes out the wall.
So this is flashing out the back as well as the face here. But you could also move all of the flashings down to here and drain out that as well.
38:46 (James) So from a constructability standpoint, get the membrane, your air barrier and water is just a barrier on, do your review, and make sure that everything is installed as should be and one of the things that I like is and should be thought about is, when you place your straps, I guess you need to kind of have a plan because you're not going to want to pull that out again and put a new one in because you're going to leave holes in your air and water-resistive barrier. So if you're going to do that, then you should repair it if you're going to move it over.
39:18 (Graham) Other testing that we've been doing is actually looking at if I screw through this insulation into my house wrap, which is an air barrier, am I putting a big enough hole in that air barrier to cause a problem?
39:30 (James) Are you?
39:31 (Graham) Well, when I screw right through and if I leave the screw in that hole is [inaudible] and it's compressed by the insulation in the house wrap in there.
And so that actually is not a problem, however, if you pull those screws out, you end up with these little holes, and enough little holes there will cause an issue.
So if you put the strap here and then needed to move it, say over here because you put it in the wrong spot, you'd have to pull this out then you have to pull the insulation out, tape the house wrap, which is not hard to do, but you have to do it.
And so the worst thing you can do is just move these without, or the easiest thing, the simpler approach just leave it in place and add another piece of strap
40:09 (James) Yeah, and there are a couple of ways to do that.
So if you have the three-quarter strapping or plywood, sorry, maybe just leave it and move it over to a new one and just leave it no harm done.
The other thing that I have done is I have a little cordless [inaudible] hole and I just cut the heads off the screws and I just take the strap I leave the screws in. Yeah, they seal it off, you cut it so there's no issue, I move it over and I'm done.
So I always have the little cordless [inaudible] all with me for the oops I made a booboo moment. Okay, so that's not really a problem.
The other thing that is really, really cool, and as I understand is you can actually improve your air tightness using a sandwich approach that many of the leap walls actually utilize to the advantage right, where the air tightness increases by sandwiching this membrane and applying basically a pressure gasket over the surface.
40:56 (Graham) Well it's really neat is we've been testing a lot of buildings with say House [inaudible] as an air bearer in both exposed cases where it's just behind strapping or cladding and in cases with exterior insulation, we're seeing large buildings now with exterior insulation sandwich, and house wrap they're coming in consistently tighter than passive host 0.6 ACH and lower very consistently with good details and sandwich membrane. And when it's not sandwich, we see results all over the map but if you do a really good job, you can also get to similar levels. The sandwiching makes your life easier and it keeps things in place.
41:34 (James) So as far as any challenges with this wall, I'm not seeing a lot of challenges even from the basic sequencing and skills that are currently on site. We're doing this now. The code says you need [inaudible] air tightness, so make a plan of air tightness as you do. This Insulation is very easy to install because you already put the plywood on, so it's kind of like just putting another layer on and then using this for attachment. So I don't see too many challenges, I think the skill set out there can easily manage this wall number one.
42:08 (Graham)Yeah, this is you know, when you look at wall number one, it is a simple step forward to using exterior insulation with traditional backup details. You do have complications and new details, I should say, around windows and penetrations, but it's not overly difficult. It requires retraining and rethinking the way you do these things, but it puts you on that path, right? And so whether we're doing two inches or six inches, it's the same. So you learn on the simpler jobs and then extrapolate.
42:36 (James) Start with what you know and just add a little bit to get a little bit better.